I was just watching the debate titled “IMPACT” by MTV News where they were discussing the issues surrounding the G20 protest. They said that we can follow the program on MTVnews.com. I believe they will be posting the program here after a while. I will keep a look out for the program on Youtube. I am hoping that this video will be posted on Youtube sooner or later.
What I found really funny was that nothing was done to prevent the protest. Involvement of the police provocateurs in the violence still needs to be determined. For instance, notice how the security guy at 00.51 sec. in this video didn’t arrest the person who smashed the window.
Alright as we play the video, I do see some people getting arrested but I don’t really see what they did.
Toronto 18 case might be considered close by the government but in my eyes it is still open. Just like 9/11, this case has so many unanswered questions.
1-Where is the evidence? The only real evidence was one bag of ammonium nitrate? Ask any chemist: they will tell you that ammonium nitrate cannot cause explosion alone.
At the end of the day, it all comes down to those three tonnes of ammonium nitrate. We hear all the time that it would have surpassed the Oklahoma City Bombing which was done with ONE tonne. We see that terrifying demonstration put together by the RCMP of only one tonne of ammonium nitrate. It looked like a movie and was definitely hair-raising. Then you start thinking of what kind of controlled environment that explosion was created in.
Now we can turn to Professor Michael Keefer’s analysis of the situation:
“For the arsenal of weaponry revealed by the arresting officers was distinctly unimpressive. In addition to five pairs of boots, it consisted of “six flashlights, one walkie-talkie, one voltmeter, eight D-cell batteries, a cell phone, a circuit board, a computer hard drive, one barbecue grill, a set of barbecue tongs, a wooden door with 21 bullet marks and a 9 mm hand gun.” … Not that any of the accused had actually been in possession of that or any other bag of ammonium nitrate fertilizer – much less fuel oil, or an appropriately configured truck in which to mix the two, or a detonating device – in the absence of which ammonium nitrate makes plants grow, but won’t blow anything up, not even the headquarters of CSIS. Yet one or possibly more of the accused had apparently been lured by a police agent into making a purchase order of a large quantity of ammonium nitrate, and had accepted delivery of some quantity of a harmless substitute chemical, at which point the police swooped.”
Out of sheer wonderment, I decided to take a quick look on Wikipedia at how the bombs were constructed by Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols. You do not even need to read all of it. Just skim over it and you will realize a huge difference between this plot and what Amara has plead guilty to.
“On April 17–18, McVeigh and Nichols loaded 108 bags of explosive-grade ammonium nitrate fertilizer weighing 50 pounds (23 kg) each, three 55-US-gallon (210 l) drums of liquid nitromethane, several crates of explosive Tovex, seventeen bags of ANFO, and spools of shock tube and cannon fuse into the Ryder truck from their storage unit in Herington, Kansas, where Nichols lived. The two then drove to Geary County State Lake, where they nailed boards onto the floor of the trucks to hold the thirteen barrels in place and mixed the chemicals using plastic buckets and a bathroom scale. Each filled barrel weighed nearly 500 pounds (230 kg). McVeigh added more explosives to the driver’s side of the cargo bay, which he could ignite at close range (at the cost of his own life), with his Glock 21 pistol if the primary fuses failed. During McVeigh’s trial, Lori Fortier (the wife of Michael Fortier) stated that McVeigh claimed to have arranged the barrels in order to form a shaped charge. This was achieved by tamping the aluminum side panel of the truck with bags of ammonium nitrate fertilizer to direct the blast laterally towards the building. Specifically, McVeigh arranged the barrels in the shape of a backwards J; he said later that for pure destructive power, he would have put the barrels on the side of the cargo bay closest to the Murrah Building; however, such an unevenly distributed 7,000-pound (3,200 kg) load might have broken an axle, flipped the truck over, or at least caused it to lean to one side, which could have drawn attention.
McVeigh then added a dual-fuse ignition system accessible from the truck’s front cab. He drilled two holes in the cab of the truck under the seat, while two holes were also drilled in the van of the truck. One green cannon fuse was run through each hole into the cab. These time-delayed fuses led from the cab of the truck, through plastic fish-tank tubing conduit, to two sets of non-electric blasting caps. The tubing was painted yellow to blend in with the truck‘s livery, and duct-taped in place to the wall to make them harder to disable by yanking from the outside. The fuses were set up to initiate, through shock tubes, the 350 pounds (160 kg) of Tovex Blastrite Gel “sausages”, which would in turn set off the configuration of barrels. Of the thirteen filled barrels, nine contained ammonium nitrate and nitromethane, and four contained a mixture of the fertilizer and about 4-US-gallon (15 l) of diesel fuel. Additional materials and tools used for manufacturing the bomb were left in the truck to be destroyed in the blast. After finishing the truck bomb, the two men separated; Nichols returned home to Herington and McVeigh with the truck to Junction City.”
One thing we can take away from that vivid description is: that is a lot of materials and work to cause an explosion out of ammonium nitrate. Did Zakaria Amara even come close? From the looks of it, despite his guilty plea, he just looks like a tired, hopeless and abandoned man who still holds on to the possibility of living with his family as a senior citizen down the road. Believe what you want regarding his guilt. If you do think that he is completely guilty, you have to at least recognize the striking difference between the two plots: McVeigh and Nichols actually had a bomb.
2-Can CSIS and RCMP be considered trustworthy sources? Just read Kerry Pither’s Dark Days. Or if you are too lazy, just scroll over youtube videos about G20. I mean these official whores will do anything when ordered to do so.
3-Can Mubin Sheikh or any other mole for any given legal case, can be considered credible resources? Remember that he was paid around paid $300,000 by the RCMP. This stinks of bribery to me.
I have read over all the media related articles and such. I would have believed the mainstream story if it answered my questions properly. And it doesn’t. This is just like the mainstream story of 9/11. Simply too many unanswered questions. In my opinion, the Toronto 18 were framed by rich and powerful people. I don’t need to say anything anymore because this is really really obvious. I also believe that there is a strong need to question the entire case and to start an independent review of some sort. People need to follow up on this case instead of just letting it drop like this. It is simply wrong. These people need not be harassed and framed for some political gain.
So, what really happened during G20? Besides removing garbage receptacles, newspaper boxes, installing security cameras and instilling road restrictions; what really happened during G20? Hmm! I don’t know because Google and Mainstream news mostly talk about the violence that erupted during G20 and do not discuss the fruitful or vain discussions that might have been initiated during the G20 summit?
After watching the following footage, I am led to believe that the violence during the riots was coordinated and implemented by the police and not initiated by the protestors (watch the video “The Police Need to be Held Accountable” listed below). Peaceful protestors were put under arrest, detained illegally, transported in unmarked vehicles and beaten. Females were threatened by gang rape during the detentions. I think the police was just looking for an excuse to justify $1 billion price tag for the G20 summit.
You want to know what’s even funnier. I was at Humber college a while ago and guess what! They were hiring Humber undergrads to act as security at G20. Hiring poor kids to do their dirty job! Shameful, despicable and reprehensible. Don’t believe me; watch the following footage on Youtube.
“The Police Need to be Held Accountable”
“G20 Toronto 2010: People are watching”
G20 Protest Toronto 2010; Protesters vs. Police
Beaking – G20 police threaten women with Rape – actual digit penetration assaults
G20 Toronto: THERE IS NO EXIT
Hundreds arrested: Video of cops battling G20 protesters in Toronto
After seeing what the police did at G20, I am very willing to believe that the Toronto18 were framed of a crime they never committed. I really don’t care about any confessions made by anyone who has been placed in solitary confinement, beaten and harassed several times. What is the mental condition of such a person? Is he sane or strong enough to make a truthful confession?
This has Happened Before.
Police has created riots before. Remember the riot that happened in Quebec in 2007.
This article shows and talks about several images, which were released by the Globe and Mail. These pictures show how the police created riots by dressing as protestors with masks.
Also read the article titled “Toronto Cops Accused of Rape and Torching Police Cars During G20 Summit.”
It’s just a power struggle. The police and the ruling government of Canada are sending a message that they will control the people with force if needed to do so. The police state has been officially installed in Canada.
And what are the politicians saying with regards to all this coordinated mishap?
Nothing. They are saying nothing.
Worse, the Liberals made no effort over the weekend to set the record straight, even though virtually every media outlet was reporting that people merely passing by the fence could find themselves in deep trouble. Mr. McGuinty could have stepped forward and reassured the public that the liberties of anyone not trying to enter the security zone were intact. Instead, he offered only “a lot of confidence in Chief Blair” and “very strong support of this time-limited extraordinary measure,” which reinforced the impression that the latter included the zone’s surrounding area.
Now, the Liberals are ducking any responsibility for the fact that they effectively (if inadvertently) gave police powers they were never intended to have. “The language of the regulation is very clear,” a spokesperson said, even as other senior Liberals acknowledged that they themselves were confused by it. Meanwhile, the Premier is nowhere to be seen, having not talked to reporters yet this week.
Behind the Liberals’ nonchalance about the whole affair lies what seems to be a wild overreaction to behaviour of the previous government.
Mike Harris’s Conservatives were accused of helping to overheat the standoff with aboriginals in Ipperwash Provincial Park, at which unarmed protester Dudley George was killed by the Ontario Provincial Police. So the Liberals came to office vowing never to interfere with police tactics – a policy they’ve maintained with religious conviction ever since.
It’s raised eyebrows before, particularly when the government seemed indifferent to the controversial way the OPP handled another standoff with natives in Caledonia. But it’s now been taken to new and absurd extremes.
Nobody else will be arrested under this month’s botched regulation. But the message to police is clear: The current government couldn’t care less how they do their jobs, even when they’re doing them wrong – and wrongly applying that government’s decisions in the process.
